the fiscal cliff, but if the average american family, according to the statistics, has to pay an extra $2,000 in taxes next year, they're not going to be buying any more lincoln logs or toys like this. we cannot endorse any one product, by the way. and therefore this business is going to suffer. if there's one thing that's clear, thomas, from the president's offer through secretary geithner up on the hill yesterday, is number one, they really feel like they have the upper political hand. and number two, they're going to play hardball, as you reported. we are still, believe it or not, on the eve of december in the preliminary sort of positioning stages of this negotiation, thomas. >> okay. that's hutfeld, pennsylvania? >> reporter: i believe it is hatfield. i'm getting confirmation here, yes. >> nbc's mike viqueira in hatfield, pa. >>> we are going to be carrying the president's remarks live today at 12:05 right here on msnbc, the place for politics. , something this delicious could only come from nature. new nectresse. the 100% natural no-calorie sweetener made from the goodness of fruit.